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Bill Wood

I'd argue for a 6th core function: meetings management - scheduling, adding topics, commenting, outcomes, agendas, and minutes.

Moritz Schroeder

First, let me thank you for this great report. I always wanted to write something like it, though I never did and never could have done it in your precise and clean analytical way.

I'd like to add another argument why "closed" doesn't work. Teams are unlikely to exclude people from their group because of lack of a particular technology. So they will automatically use the best tool available to all of them, which nowadays is usually email.

How to move forward? Maybe an example of the decision making and principles for a new system:

I am involved with a non-profit organisation (20,000 members) consisting for historical reasons of two legal entities. The aim was to create a common platform for members and staff of both entities, while preserving independant activities and specificities of each of the entities. The system includes address management, list selections of members, tools to create and manage groups among members, events and so on. We have thoroughly checked software solutions, web services and ASPs. One of the entities has been using an MS Access solution (a dead duck from scratch), the other Lotus Notes (ok, but in the need of a complete overhaul. Otherwise Domino is expensive due to the need of specialists, infrastructure...).

After viewing a good dozen of apps and ready-made solutions, we decided to formulate some principles:

1. Open standards: no technology choices as long as it's open, uses standards and has a sufficiently large supporting community of specialists and users .
2. No lock-ins: switch of suppliers,developers and hosters should be as painless as possible if needed. This is not a one way condition, because if the development contractor wants out but can't because of technical and contractual reasons, it's bad for him and as well as us. Who likes to work with someone who doesn't...
3. Accessibility: web centric design (interface to members) and platform independant interface for member/association management.
4. Layout and backend separation: easy design changes based on CSS
5. Understand us: we did not want supplier orgs substantially larger than us, because we feared they would not understand our "business" and because we wanted to keep the communication processes "short".

Nearly all bidders were pleasantly surprised about our process and principles. (In the end we went for the org which had a great guy and presented a surprising solution: the interface for member management will be using the User Interface Language of Mozilla XUL, thereby giving us a rich interface based on a web-like database app).

I think combining such a list of principles is the first step to move forward and your report implies already a good number of them. Why not create a wiki for that project?

Andy Swarbrick

great additions to an important debate.

Gary Buck

A very good report - a few things immediately come to mind
1. The problem is bigger than joint collaboration tools - I use some of them but also real business apps like SAP (that have another calendar etc)

2. I hate to say it but you almost are building a round-a-bout case for using Outlook (or email client) more as the entry into things like eRooms. It has an interface that everyone knows, has the calendaring, has the tasks - not good at the other components but I guess that is what Bill G is trying to fix???

GB (not a MS fan at all)

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