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Jason Welch

Many analysts make the mistake of thinking of SharePoint as a collaboration platform only. What is often left out is that SharePoint is designed as a starting point for the development of enterprise and external facing solutions. The SharePoint platform is extremely programmable via binary APIs or web services. Oracle is smart to compete on the collaboration side, but I think they have a ways to go to match the collection of APIs and internal services Microsoft has developed to make SharePoint a leading enterprise portal solution.

James Till

Re: Pillar #2 - I believe you will find that Oracle Drive, the client application Oracle has licensed from Xythos will help address the offline access and synchronization issues with Oracle Collaboration Suite. The Oracle Drive also "WebDAV-enables" desktop applications which can't use Micrososft web folders.

Richi Jennings

The thing is, conventional, general-purpose RDBMs such as Oracle are simply a bad way to implement an email store. I think this is mainly how OCS gets its poor scalability and reliability reputation.

Even IBM seems to be having trouble with the NSF to DB2 migration -- I note that it's been relegated to Limited Availability/Feature Trial status in the released R7.

And we'd best draw a discreet veil over oft-stated intentions to migrate Exchange from Jetblue to SQL Server.

You mentioned Scalix. This is of course based on the HP OpenMail store design -- a database specifically designed for the task (Yes, I had a hand in OM, back in the days). It's been proven to be a much better way to go. Pride speaking ;-)

Michael Sampson

Jason ... thanks for sharing. When you refer to "SharePoint", are you explicitly thinking WSS/SPS, or the SPS piece only?

James ... yes, Xythos adds some offline capabilities. I'll be writing about this shortly.

Richi ... what data points do you have on "Oracle's poor scalability and reliability reputation"? By email is fine. NSF to DB2 migration for Domino ... yes, it's Limited Availability in the initial release of Domino 7, but I don't think you should write it off just yet. There were reasons given for that decision, and they sounded reasonable to me. Exchange and SQL ... it's coming ... sometime. Scalix ... based on OpenMail ... ah, yes, great product lineage. You and the team did a good job on that product.

Richi Jennings

Data points? I was of course careful to say "reputation."

The thing is, it's usually very hard for customers to state this sort of position publicly. Either because of personal career investment in a choice, or restrictive covenants in the software license agreements.

Let's recall that Larry keynoted Comdex Fall in 2001, quoting tens of thousands of users per server. I'm not aware of any implementations that achieve this with true, business-class workloads. OpenMail, of course, was perfectly capable of this sort of scalability.

All discussion of database design apart, the underlying issue is always one of disk I/O bandwidth. All too many store designs are too profligate in their use of the available bandwidth.

Some darn fine OpenMail engineers expended gallons of blood, sweat, and tears to minimize the number of times the disk heads had to move. (Hello Roy, Kevin, Gren, Maurice... several others.) Benefits that Scalix takes advantage of today. Especially on big iron like IBM Z-series mainframes ;-)

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